Lincoln Aviator - thoughts?

"MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner" (montegoman562) 01/04/2016 at 09:14 • Filed to: AVIATOR, LINCOLN

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A used one popped up and I’m really into it. I’m not thrilled about the idea of 18 mpg + premium fuel, but it’s really cool. Same motor as the Mach 1 Mustangs/Mercury Marauder, 4.6L. Over 300 HP and don’t have to worry about the 5.4L.

The one for sale is a Dark Blue one from 05 with only 88k miles. Sounds like it’s been babied. No accidents on carfax. Oh and it’s a hair under $8,000.

What do you think guys?

Party-vi > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 09:20

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Quite a nice Ford Explorer.

CounterTorqueSteer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 09:21

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Just so you know, if you are doing anything other than highway miles, you won’t get close to 18mpg. You can realistically expect around 12. (Past owner of three different Ford Expeditions).

Stapleface > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 09:25

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My dad's wife had an 03. He wasn't really fond of it at all. They had a bunch of nagging problems with it, including leaking window seals. He traded it in last year with under 50k on it. That being said, they replaced it with a Navigator (and he drives an F150), so it couldn't have been that bad.

Slant6 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 09:26

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What are you going to use it for?

We have an 05 Expidition at work that we use as a service vehicle. I can’t remember the last time we actually worked on it. Not fast by any means (my Dad’s old Suburban was faster) but I’m not sure which engine it has, could be a sohc 4.6.

Reliability is a check mark on these but do you really need something this big? Also the GM equivalents are overall a bit better. The higher trimmed Chevrolets are on par or nicer than the Lincoln interior wise.

I also wouldn’t jump on this one. I’ve seen a few by me around this price and condition and they seem to be very common, owned by suburban families and used for dropping kids off at school and the occasional road trip.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Party-vi 01/04/2016 at 09:27

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The nicest.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 09:28

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Well, since Lincoln’s not making a huge four door Conti anymore...

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Party-vi 01/04/2016 at 09:29

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That’s what I was thinking.

Different Engine and drivetrain though. I believe the AWD system matches the Mercury Mountaineer’s system plus the upgraded 4.6L

d15b > CounterTorqueSteer 01/04/2016 at 09:29

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This. Gas is cheap. Buy a vehicle with better MPG. You will thank yourself later!

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > CounterTorqueSteer 01/04/2016 at 09:30

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This is based off an Explorer and has a 4.6L not the 5.4L like the Expeditions...

How were your Expeditions though? You keep buying them they must be doing something right.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Stapleface 01/04/2016 at 09:31

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True, if it was that bad he would’ve bolted from Ford.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Slant6 01/04/2016 at 09:36

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There’s not a ton of them around, they frankly didn’t build that many of them. And it would be used for the exact same purpose you described at the bottom. Daily driver to take me to work and drop the kid at daycare. Occasional Road Trip - alternating road trip duties with the Jeep Commander.

The Milan I’ve had as a Daily Driver is the smallest vehicle I’ve ever owned. I’m interested in getting back up off the ground. I like the full size GM’s but this is actually smaller than them because it’s based off the Explorer not the Expedition.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 01/04/2016 at 09:41

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What you mean?

Slant6 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 09:43

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Ah, I got confused. I was thinking Expedition based. That’s the Navigator. They’re still reliable. My friend used to have an 05 explorer with a v6 and awd. It treated him well until some fatal (to the car, not him) wheel bearing failure made him buy a Wrangler. Might have been an advance trac issue. Good cars. Great for what you want to do and so much more.

I think I might see more Aviators/ Navigators for sale living in a huge suburban metro area. There are square miles of rich neighborhoods north of Raleigh so I guess it depends on the market.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > d15b 01/04/2016 at 09:43

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I’ve had a fuel efficient vehicle for almost 3 years now - Mercury Milan daily driver. It’s also the smallest DD I’ve ever had, I’d like to be back up in the air for my DD.

And the Lifted Jeep Commander with a wimpy 3.7L and full time “4x4” probably still gets worse mileage haha (wife’s DD). And we bought that when gas was almost 4 bucks a gallon.

CounterTorqueSteer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 09:46

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I'm sorry, early morning brain fart. We had excellent luck with all of them. All were very comfortable and survived close to 100k each with no major hiccups.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 09:48

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They’ve announced the new Continental - but for the moment (if you can’t wait), there’s just the MKS, which clearly doesn’t have the kind of presence, behemothity and curb weight you need to have in a four-door Lincoln.

Only one solution for the lightly-used market and not the classics market: the Aviator.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Slant6 01/04/2016 at 09:50

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Yeah the problem is I don’t think they even cracked 75,000 in sales in the whole lifespan of the vehicle being produced so the market’s not flooded.

I’m outside Detroit in the suburbs so the executives that got a discount on buying it are why they are even around out here in numbers.

TheRealBicycleBuck > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 09:51

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We have a 2013 Explorer with the 3.5L v6. While it sounds like the 290 hp should provide plenty of get-up-and-go, in a vehicle so big, it creates more drama than speed. When I stepped on the gas to pass a slow-moving truck, my son was quick to remind me that mom’s explorer wasn’t my car. Yeah, everyone laughed.

We put 1,300 miles on it over the Christmas holidays this year, giving me a chance to track the mileage (my wife doesn’t bother). The majority of the miles were on the highway, although one tank was mostly city driving.

The worst, 16.9 mpg, was on a travel day. It was all highway miles, but there was a significant headwind and we were rolling around 75 mph.

The best was 21.7 mpg. Again, it was all highway miles at ~75 mph, but without the headwind.

The tank that covered all of our city miles netted 18.4 mpg.

Since the 3.5L doesn’t require premium fuel, the 1,300 miles of travel only cost me $113.11. If it did require premium, the trip would have cost $20 more (based on the cost of filling my WRX this morning).

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 01/04/2016 at 09:53

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Gotcha.

Yeah I like the size of it and the weirdest complaint about the Mercury Mountaineer (because i could simply find one of those with AWD and V8) is the door handles on the interior. I can’t handle it. My mother in law has one (RWD v6, slow as hell) I just can’t do those door handles.

JR1 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 09:53

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I am a sucker for Lincoln SUVs so I would be all over it. Gas mileage does suck though but hell it has been so cheap lately who cares?

That Bastard Kurtis - An Attempt to Standardize My Username Across Platforms > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 09:54

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I'd be interested to see the mileage it gets. I get around 17mpg in a P71 Crown Vic with a 4.6, over 20 on the highway, and regular gas. Also have a 5.4 F150 that seems to get 12mpg no matter what I do. All highway? 12mpg. All city? 12mpg. Leave it idling in my driveway all day? 12mpg.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 10:03

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You could go Full Retard and get a Navigator, of course, since that way you cross the critical 2.5 ton and 200” marks, but I’m getting that you want to limit yourself for some reason.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > TheRealBicycleBuck 01/04/2016 at 10:07

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the problem is that’s a completely different ball game.

1 the 3.5L is useless without turbo’s. 2 that’s on a newer and completely different platform.

That’s built on the Taurus, not on a full real frame.

Hooker > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 10:08

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It was the nicest Ford exploder at the time. Watch the transmissions from that generation. They are terribad but otherwise a nice vehicle. I have always enjoyed the subtle clean lines of these over their exploder brethren. I say pull the trigger. But I am just an armchair quarterback that has no real money (mortgage!)

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 01/04/2016 at 10:09

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Only by budget my friend, only by budget.

I’d rock a Navigator or even a MARK LT - which is REALLY going full retard.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Hooker 01/04/2016 at 10:11

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Yeah I’ve got one of those Mortgage things too...

Hooker > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 10:27

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It’s a terrible pain in the ass. I thought they said a home was a wise purchase!?! Outside of the fact that I could literally not live anywhere else for as cheap (monthly) as I do now, it’s a disaster. Oh, roof is leaking again? Don’t have 5K to put a new one on? And the back wall is sinking? Fuck. That.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 10:28

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I’ve been looking at the matchup between the giant Capri I got from Jarod Rose and the 1990 E350 heavy duty Club Wagon 15-passenger in the family, and the Capri has the same curb weight (higher than the base model van), is fractionally wider, fractionally longer (parts of an inch, both cases), and has only 7” shorter wheelbase. Family sedan ~= 15-passenger van, because YOLO, 1959 style.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 01/04/2016 at 10:34

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fantastic.

The Montego is actually only a few inches longer than my Mercury Milan and about the same length as our Commander.

skinnier than both.

ShelbyRacer78-Fusion Modifier > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 10:36

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Worth it.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > ShelbyRacer78-Fusion Modifier 01/04/2016 at 10:37

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Waiting for some pictures. I’ll have to sell the Milan to get it too..

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Hooker 01/04/2016 at 10:39

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damn man sounds like you need a house lemon law lol.

but I love my house, despite the upkeep.

ShelbyRacer78-Fusion Modifier > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 10:39

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That’s sad, but you do get the best mod motor...

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > ShelbyRacer78-Fusion Modifier 01/04/2016 at 10:41

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Yeah, and I would still have an obscure discontinued Ford.

Hooker > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 10:48

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Same here. House lemon law. Ha. It’s almost 100 smackers old. I don’t think I’ll get anywhere.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Hooker 01/04/2016 at 10:52

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Yeah my current one is a little over 40 years old.

Big transition for me. My last house was only 5 years old when I bought it (10 when i sold it)

A lot more creaks and moans in this house and shitty wiring. Example: replaced a light switch this weekend - oh thanks guys, didn’t think to ground this? you know, to that nice green screw right there? no? not worried about it? Great.

Vicente Esteve > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 10:57

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According to Wikipedia, the Koenigsegg CCR V8 used the same engine. I don’t think it’s relevant, but cool nonetheless.

I really dig Lincoln interiors of that era for some reason, I’d say go for it. My pick would be the rare Kitty Hawk edition.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 11:01

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For some reason I really like them, especially in black.

Hooker > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 11:02

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Haha. “Standards” were “different” back then. Thankfully, the wiring seems to be the only thing I don’t worry about with my house. I just need a better job to fix it up right.

TheRealBicycleBuck > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 11:09

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Not sure what the problem is. We were talking about fuel mileage, not the benefits of body-on-frame versus unibody.

I’m not sure where you are getting the engine information - everything I see online says the ‘05 only came with a 5.4L. Perhaps this one had an engine swap?

Turbo or not, both are rated around 300 hp. The 3.5L has about 50 lb-ft more torque (355 lb·ft vs 255 lb·ft), but with an additional 1,000 lbs of weight, I’m not sure the additional torque will make much difference.

Performance-wise, I’d expect the Lincoln to be somewhat slower; however, it may make neater noises while doing it. I’d also expect it to have worse fuel mileage (EPA estimates are quite a bit lower) and slightly higher operating costs due to the premium fuel requirements.

Bengal55 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 11:10

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I have some experience with these, I’ve owned a 2003 Explorer and my mother currently owns a 2004 Aviator. So lets see if I can be of some help here.

The Aviator has the 302hp, 4.6L, 32v v8, unlike the Explorer of the same vintage (239hp, 4.6L, 16v V8) and also unlike the sucessor, the (292hp, 4.6L, 24v v8) - This is important as supposedly the 32v engine was the least reliable of the bunch. We’ve had ours for 6 years now and have yet to encounter an issue with the engine.

Transmission, the 2002 - 2005 Explorers had abysmal transmissions that were prone to failure, mine never did, but it the vehicle didn’t last long enough for it to. They are the 5W55W, 5W55E and the 5W55S in the Aviator. The W has the worst reliability, the E was an attempt to fix it, and sadly I’m not sure about the reliability on the S. The 2006+ Explorers got a revised transmission that fixed all the issues of the previous generation.

Now for the goodies, the Aviator has heated and cooled seats, something the Explorer’s didn’t, and boy do they work wonders. The stock sound system isn’t bad, nor is the rest of the interior.

Ride: Like a cloud, which can be a good or bad thing. These things float, a lot. If you like body roll, you’ll love the Aviator. These are not off-road vehicles, don’t expect to do anything beyond a dirt road in these.

Brakes: Mushy, they will stop, and stop pretty well, but the pedal travel and softness makes you think otherwise.

What should you, look out for?
4wD - 4wd was actually a rarer option on the Aviator, most were sold with rear wheel drive and skinnier tires, traction control was optional. A good majority had no tow pakage or a class 1 tow package, class 3 was also rare.

Rear Windows - The rear door window regulatos were crap, and went out often. They are fairly cheap and easy to fix, but annoying none the less.

Rear Hatch - The Explorer/Aviator/Mounty all have a 2nd smaller hatch for gaining access to the rear cargo area, these were made of plastic below the glass that always cracked, usually right down the center of the logo. It’s purely cosmetic and doesn’t lead to leaking.

Fuel Economy - What fuel economy? LOL
They advertised 18mpg/h on these, they get at best 13.5mpg on premium, and they love to drink it. You’ll be lucky to get 18 highway, with a tail wind, coasting, down a hill. Trust me, been there, done that.

Parking Sensors/ ABS Warnings
These SUVs love to give warnings about parking sensors, ABS, and the TPS. They are not the end of the world, just annoying. The ABS sensor gets dirty quick and likes to give you a warning light, however the brakes work as they should.

Final Viredict: Would I buy it? - Maybe
For $8,000 and low miles it’s a good buy, and an excellent cruiser/family vehicle. Just be aware of what issues you may encounter. If you plan for them, then you’ll be good.

Bengal55 > TheRealBicycleBuck 01/04/2016 at 11:22

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He’s talking about an Aviator, which never offered the 5.4L engine. All the Explorer drivitves came with either a 4.0L v6 or a 4.6L v8. (The Avaitor had only the 4.6L has an engine option) - What you’re looking at is the Navigator, which came with the 5.4L and was based off the bigger Expedition.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > TheRealBicycleBuck 01/04/2016 at 11:26

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Oh it’ll have worse mileage, and definitely worse than the 3.5L V6 in the Taurus based new Explorer.

Bengal55 covered most of my response. it has the hopped up 4.6L V8, the Aviator is built off the old Explorer, not eh Expedition/F150 platform. So it’s also lighter than you think it is.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Hooker 01/04/2016 at 11:27

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yeah it’s got a hell of a lot more wear too. I think i need to replace some subfloor in a few sections. those hallways have been walked A LOT

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/04/2016 at 11:28

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I like them too! (obviously)

The one I’m looking at is actually the deep blue, real classy

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Vicente Esteve 01/04/2016 at 11:30

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It may not be relevant, but it’s really fucking cool.

Good luck finding a Kitty Hawk.

Dusty Ventures > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 11:31

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72,601 sold in the five year life span

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Bengal55 01/04/2016 at 11:37

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That was FANTASTIC information.

The one I’m considering is the AWD model, not helping gas mileage there haha

The rear hatch piece is a huge annoyance, drives me nuts how they crack, i may not want to deal with that.

Window regulators are in fact that. A sincere pain in the ass.

The other little sensors should be easy to handle.

but the biggest concern you’ve brought up is that transmission.

Which makes me quite cautious.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Dusty Ventures 01/04/2016 at 11:44

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Yeah I had a feeling they didn’t crack 75k

Vicente Esteve > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 11:57

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True. Did you know about the Navigator K? http://www.topspeed.com/cars/lincoln/2…

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Vicente Esteve 01/04/2016 at 12:03

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I did not, that’s beyond awesome.

That red interior is psycho (in a good way)

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 12:10

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Lots of Lincoln-specific parts on those, though. Especially electronics. Could be not fun at all when something breaks...

banjo cat ghost of oppo past > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 12:11

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Dooo iiiit give us some good reading material and yourself a new, luxurious adventure

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 01/04/2016 at 12:13

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True, the electronics being the concern because I haven’t had an issue at all sourcing parts for my orphaned Milan.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > banjo cat ghost of oppo past 01/04/2016 at 12:14

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I wonder if I can find one with a carmax warranty....HA

banjo cat ghost of oppo past > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 12:25

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HAH okay lemme take a step back, you do-not have to go full Demuro.

Still you should buy it. I hated the mileage on the two lux SUV’s I owned I still miss them for any trip over 10 miles.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > banjo cat ghost of oppo past 01/04/2016 at 12:26

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Hahahahahahahaha I was kidding there isn’t even a Carmax in my state.

And I checked, they don’t have any Aviators anywhere in the country.

I’m still waiting on the dealership to have some damn pics of the thing to make sure it isn’t warn to hell or beat up.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > CounterTorqueSteer 01/04/2016 at 12:39

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Did you no longer trust the Expedition on the far side of 100k? Is that why you sold em?

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Bengal55 01/04/2016 at 12:43

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Since you had such amazing input on the Aviator, how do you feel about the 2007 Expedition?

It’s an 07 so it has the 3v 5.4L 120k miles trustworthy or timebomb?

CounterTorqueSteer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 12:44

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No, it was just because we wanted an upgrade on the technology. They were still running strong at 100k.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > CounterTorqueSteer 01/04/2016 at 12:45

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Any significant issues with the 5.4L?

CounterTorqueSteer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 12:49

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Nope. The only issue we encountered was on our 2008 model where the transmission started shift a bit sluggishly. That started to happen around 90k.

TheRealBicycleBuck > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 13:13

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Ah, I see the error - Aviator, not Navigator.

Let’s see, the Aviator has 302 hp, 300 ft-lbs of torque, and weighs 4,800 lbs. It has a bit more torque, a bit more horsepower, and it only carries about 300 lbs more weight than the new Explorer. I’m surprised at the poor fuel economy (EPA 13 city/ 18 hwy!?!).

It does have about 2,000 lbs greater towing capacity, so that’s a benefit.

It looks like a decent deal given the price and mileage, if you really want an SUV.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > TheRealBicycleBuck 01/04/2016 at 13:34

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Yeah I’m really wanting an SUV. My first 2 daily drivers were SUV’s then I switched to the Milan for the past 3 years and I’m a bit burned out of being down there. I wish I could just trade with my wife for a while, she DD’s a mildly lifted Jeep Commander. That would get my fix (despite having worse gas mileage than this Aviator and only having a V6 - damn does that little V6 have to work hard to move that bigass Jeep) but she hates being low to the ground now and won’t go back.

Hooker > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 13:36

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I got 1,000 problems but I aint got no subfloors so that won’t be one of them! Haha. I do have structural issues here or there. Old house. Hrumph

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Hooker 01/04/2016 at 13:37

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Hahahaha

It’s coming along, I’m sure yours is too! It’ll get there

TheRealBicycleBuck > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 13:48

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I have to drive my wife’s occasionally and I’m always looking forward to getting out of it. I thought it might be due to having the entire family crammed in there, but I found I don’t like it even when I’m by myself.

To me, it’s like driving a whale while sitting in its mouth. There’s a dark cavern behind me and it’s wide enough to take up an entire lane. There’s no wiggle room for avoiding potholes. I get uncomfortable just talking about it....

Good luck in your search. If you get this one, perhaps you can drop it a few inches to improve the handling and hop up the 302 a bit. The mileage will suffer, but the hoonage will be outstanding!

Hooker > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 13:52

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Or I could just light it on fire and collect. I kid. I would never do that. I like it too much. The heart pine floors have my heart. But damn, as cold as it is today, it wouldn’t hurt my feelings.

Bengal55 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 13:57

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I’ve never owned an Expedition or a Navigator so my experience with them is quite limited. My only experience with the 5.4L is the 1999 F150 we used to own. It was a high mileage truck when we acquired it, it ran well, smooth, and was pretty reliable. We got it at 120,000mi and sold it to a neighbor around 150,000mi. However not long after we sold it, it trashed its self. The neighbor still has it, now working on his 3rd engine. Granted that could be in how he maintains and treats it.

While the truck was in our posession we never had an engine related issue.
I’d like to note as well, our Aviator has well over 130,000 miles on it, original engine, rear dif, and transmission.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > TheRealBicycleBuck 01/04/2016 at 14:03

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Haha, I have plenty of hoonage ability in the 68 Montego.

I think if I got it I’d put on a mild exhaust, get some rumble.

People will be very confused.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Hooker 01/04/2016 at 14:06

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hahahaha.

Somehow, which we do not understand in any possible way, we got a house that’s almost 1000 sq ft bigger. Built 30+ years before our first house was built, with older less efficient furnace and AC units....

And we have lower utility bills.

Insanity.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 15:14

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If you’re looking for a mid sized truck-based SUV that has some towing ability and have no problem affording the gas even if the cost of fuel doubles, then I say go for it.

Katsumoto > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 16:13

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As stated before, the Explorer, Mountaineer and Aviator all got the 4.6.

As a previous 4.0L V6 Mountaineer owner, have the transmission checked. All those explorers/mountaineeers/aviators used the same transmission. At 100k they like to shit and quit. I got rid of mine way before that problem, at 73k. I owned mine since new. I only had 1 problem in my time owning it, the idler pulley. 20 bucks and an hour later it was fixed.

I dont know much about the aviators, but if they do use the same Mountaineer AWD, it’s full time. Never turning off, AWD. Like Subarus.

I loved mine, although it loved the gas station more. I live in Oklahoma with it the majority of my time and moved back to Ohio after it sat in storage for 2 years while I was in Japan. I picked it up from storage, drove form STL to Dayton OH, and 500 miles, and after 2 years, it had ZERO problems. I loved my Mountaineer, it was good to me, and I traded it in on my current DD beater Honda Fit. I betrayed that truck lol.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Katsumoto 01/04/2016 at 16:26

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Hahaha.

Well, this is a very different edition of the 4.6L than the Explorer and Mountaineers got. They were SOHC, this is DOHC. Cams everywhere haha. It’s the varied version that appeared in the Mach 1 Mustang and the Marauder. It is in fact the AWD system.

I wonder if I could make an Aviator shaker hood set up....

jkm7680 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 17:03

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Kinda bad Exploder. Just buy an Exploder.

Katsumoto > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 17:37

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Yea, never cared for the Aviator. Just too much of a wallet hit for me. Plus I think lincolns are for old people anyway.

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/04/2016 at 18:39

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It’s one of those cars I want but for some reason forget they exist.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Katsumoto 01/04/2016 at 19:54

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I disagree 100% on the old people comment. Its priced competitive if not better than explorers right now.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > jkm7680 01/04/2016 at 19:54

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It’s priced better than v8 4x4 explorers in my market. Obviously with more features too.